As more people learn about the issues within the community, what will psychedelic healing look like as it becomes mainstream?
Photo-Illustration: by The Cut; Photos: Getty Images On the latest episode of Cover Story, transgressions multiply, and collaborator Lily Kay Ross confronts psychedelic leader Françoise Bourzat about the accounts of abuse within the community Bourzat and her husband, Aharon Grossbard, run. We hear more stories of the rules of consent between therapist and client being breached, as more people begin to speak out.
iO Tillett Wright: Lily and Dave love this song called “.” The lyrics are: “What are we gonna do with all this shit? We’re gonna need a second hallway.” And that’s basically how they feel ever since they started digging into the underbelly of psychedelics, and especially since we started dropping episodes. Lily and Dave have been inundated by stories of all kinds of abuses by psychedelic guides.
Ross: Ultimately this whole thing was really painful for Claire because this man she really cared about was just getting more and more distraught. Catherine: Somebody came around and said, “do you want the LSD?” And I said, “no.” And then they went back to Aharon and Aharon says “she’s taking the LSD.” The person came back to me and said, “Aharon says you’re taking the LSD.” And I was so high, I was like, “okay, I’m taking the LSD because Aharon’s in charge. And he’d be like, no, you need this.” He’s directing things.Catherine: Yeah, the idea was that you need to break through and ketamine is the next level.
When Catherine finally manages to move out and file for divorce, things get even worse. Even just talking about this period in her life, it’s really clear to me that it’s hard for her. Catherine was going to court to divorce him and protect her family. And there comes a point in this ongoing battle where Catherine’s husband is trying to get the judge to prevent her from seeing their kids. And Aharon writes a letter in support. Luckily the judge throws out the request within a couple of days.
Bourzat, on tape: Well here’s something that I’ve discussed a lot with people in my community. The language I’m hearing is that the more you are visible, the more people will find ways to put you down. They’ll find stories, and they are stories.
Ross: My first thought when I heard that was, how do you know the guide knows the truth? And if they do, how do you know they’re going to tell it to you? It’s like she has this supreme confidence in the integrity of guides. I think this opens up something that we really need to talk about in this community, which is the idea that ethics comes from within.
Castillo: Some other time, I was in the same place and he felt that I needed some holding. He came to me and said, “Sergio, would it be okay if I hold you?” And I say, “yes, but remember I said yes the first time too. Are you sure?” He said, “Yes. Let me tell you ahead of time what I’m going to do. Is it okay if I put my arm around you?” and I answered “yes.” He asked, “how does that feel?” and I said, “It feels a little scary.” He said, “Okay. Let me remove my arm.” You get the point.
Ross: Yeah and there is an incentive to do the thing they say because the promise is that you’re not going to be in pain anymore if you do, and that is such a strong incentive. They’re like “ here is the thing I’m telling you is going to make it so you aren’t hurting anymore. I can see it. I know it, just trust me.”
Susan: Basically, she just says, “Hey Susan, If you’re open to it, I wanted to talk to you about Eyal/ the medicine community.” Ross: It was actually just a couple of weeks ago that Lauren agreed to let us summarize some of what she says happened to her. She saw Eyal for three years, much longer than Susan, and he really pushed it further with her.
Wright: Lauren has actually filed a complaint with the regulatory agency in California that governs therapists. She included five statements from people she was talking to as all this was happening. One colleague described what she heard from Lauren like this: “Eyal used private sensitive information he had gained from their work together to invalidate and pathologize Lauren’s experience, demanding that she open herself to love with him.
Wright: Someone from an organization in California that’s advocating for this kind of work told us they don’t condone doing sexual healing on drugs and consent around touch should be in writing, and it should never be changed on the fly.Connie, on tape: And I remember specifically saying, “I don’t think I want that or need that.”Connie, on tape: An hour into the session, he’s pushing and saying “oh, this is what you need?” and I’m altered so I was feeling very open.
Ross: Yeah. And in a long email, she communicated to Françoise that this man had sexually transgressed against multiple women and that she was really worried about this man’s behavior as well as his wellbeing.Ross: Then eight days go by and there’s no response. She starts to get pretty scared. We’ve already heard in this community and this circle of people, it’s really hard to stand up and talk about these issues.
Ross, on tape: I’m just thinking about how the idea that we did call it in. I’m worried that the idea excuses abuse. I’m wondering what you think of that idea? Wright: This past Fall, while Lily and Dave were frantically investigating and forming almost like a team of people who wanted to come forward with their stories, one of the people they’d been talking to, Will Hall, very bravely stepped into the public eye on his own. He published a piece called “Ending the silence around psychedelic therapy abuse” on Madinamerica.com. Shortly thereafter, other pieces covering the allegations started popping up, and suffice it to say, it shook the tree.
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