“Maybe there’s no way to stop it from happening again, which is horrifying to contemplate.”
about what went wrong at Astroworld, whether Travis Scott is to blame, and why tragedies like this keep happening at concerts. Our conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.Mary Harris: Can you give me a Travis Scott 101, where he came from and what his music’s like?Travis Scott is from Houston. The Astroworld Festival is his festival. He started out as a rapper and producer who worked under Kanye West. He co-produced some of the tracks on thealbum that Kanye West put out.
The energy that you’re describing at Travis Scott shows—it was notable to me how often it had gone wrongthis past weekend. I wonder if you can describe some of the previous incidents where Travis Scott held a concert, something went wrong, and various people are trying to hold him accountable.So the big thing that happened, the sort of emblematic moment before this one, was at Terminal 5 in New York, which is a very tall concrete venue with balconies that go up several floors.
Yeah, and that, by itself, for a Travis Scott show, is pretty routine, where a bunch of people bust their way in. And I think that is the sort of thing that he has helped to encourage. The thing where these people got basically crushed to death while he was performing—that’s something else. That is not routine.Scott took the stage around 9 o’clock, and the head of the Houston Police Department is saying that he basically warned Scott, there’s an energy out there, be careful, I’m worried.
No. Their specific fear was a riot, and a riot and a crowd surge are two very different things. In a riot, something like Guns N’ Roses in St. Louis in 1991, people don’t get killed. They destroy a lot of property. But nobody died that day. I think worrying about a riot is sort of a misplaced fear. I think they should have stopped that show right away.
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