.IChotiner interviews a_stille, the author of several books about Italian history and politics, about why the Italian center and left were unable to keep the far right out of power in the recent election.
made it, particularly in the current climate, feel like a much riskier choice. Giorgia Meloni rather shrewdly tacked very hard toward the center and adopted a very strong anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine position, which prevented that.
While I think people in America see this as a kind of political earthquake, it feels much less that way to me. Remember that the predecessor party of the Brothers of Italy, Alleanza Nazionale, was in the government during many of the Berlusconi years. There have been further-right governments—not radically different from what we’re seeing now—that Berlusconi headed, which included the Alleanza Nazionale and the Lega.
That’s where you’re more likely to see actions that you might consider extreme, including sending boats to stop migrants, turning them away, that kind of thing. But undoing fifty years of low fertility is probably beyond the ability of any government, which then makes immigration all the more tricky. The right is anti-immigration, but the Italian economy depends on immigrant labor to function—it’s roughly ten per cent of the over-all workforce.
The whole campaign didn’t have the radical feeling that you see, quite honestly, when you’re observing this as an American. The American right looks a lot more aggressive, violent, and anti-democratic than these people do. The whole tenor and tone of the campaign was much more calm and moderate. Now, that doesn’t mean that there are not people in her party who may, in the privacy of their home, defend Mussolini.
Just to take a step back, what you’re saying is that this all seems like normal right-wing Italian politics?
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