Talking with GaryGulman and sammorril, who perform stand-up in JokerMovie, about their roles and the horrors of open mics
Joaquin Phoenix during the open-mic scene in Joker. Photo: Warner Bros. Joker is many things to many people — a misguided commentary on mental illness and sociopolitical rage, a glorification of incels, an antidote to “woke” culture, etc. etc. — but everyone can agree that, feelings aside, it tells the story of an aspiring stand-up comedian.
To give it the early-’80s feel, Phillips chose Dangerfield’s, Rodney Dangerfield’s longtime New York City club, as the filming location. “It’s a dated club, so they probably didn’t have to do that much to make it work,” says Gulman. “There were matchbooks that said Pogo’s on it, and the people in the audience were dressed in period outfits with their hair done, smoking cigarettes.
Gary Gulman performs stand-up in Joker. Photo: Warner Bros. It’s these mistakes that ultimately lead to Arthur’s embarrassing open-mic set, where he involuntarily cracks up and hallucinates both his success and the presence of his love interest. Morril got to watch Phoenix filming that scene and was blown away by how realistic it was. “It’s almost like you have PTSD from all the open mics you have to do to get good at this,” he says. “To their credit, that’s what an open mic is.
According to an interview with Phillips, Phoenix was often so intense on the set that he’d walk off in the middle of takes to gather his thoughts. Neither Gulman or Morril saw anything as over the top as that, but both had interesting interactions with the star. “When I saw him in the makeup trailer, it seemed like he was like in character because he didn’t really make eye contact,” says Gulman.
“The way that scene plays out, it’s just so uncomfortable. I could relate to that because probably early on in my career, you’re so desperate you would allow yourself to lose your dignity to get that. It was his dream,” Gulman says of Joker’s fateful appearance on Franklin’s show. “He was right about telling that guy off for embarrassing him. It was really cruel.
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